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North Queensferry Community Council (NQCC)

Draft Minutes of Community Council Meeting: Thursday 8 February 2018

Present:

NQCC: Lin Collis - Chair (LC), Christina McKenzie (CM), Jim George (JG), David Shields (DS), Donna Beveridge (DCB), Peter Selbie (PS), Sheila Foggon (SF),

Fife Council (FC) Councillors: Cllr David Barratt (DB), Cllr Dave Dempsey (DD); Cllr Alice McGarry (AM)

Two members of the public.  

   Agenda Reference

Description

Action

1. Apologies

Cllr. Lesley Laird (MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath)

Iain G Mitchell (IGM), Bruce Finlayson (BF), Mary Finlayson (MF)

The Police.

 

2. Minutes of Previous Meeting

Previous minutes, 9.1: ‘toilet at Battery Road may be replaced’. Minutes approved: proposed PS; seconded DS

 

 

3. Matters Arising

1. Defibrillator (10.1): Meeting 6 February held with representatives from North Queensferry Heritage Trust (NQHT) and North Queensferry Community Trust (NQCT).  Next meeting will be March (inviting representation from the Community Centre). Four locations for defibrillators are being considered:  One at the station (NQHT) and the marina (NQCT) but funds still required for defibrillators either at the telephone box on Main Road or the bus stop on Battery Road and at the Community Centre. 

Cost of a defibrillator: £1450. It is intended to use one type throughout the village.  Training will be offered, although the machines have good instructions.

2. Muga (10.2) The £500 outstanding for MUGA needs to be paid.

3. Christmas Tree (14) The shop has agreed to supply power for lighting trees at the Brock Street station exit at Christmas.

4. Bridge graffiti (16.5) Network Rail still being chased to remove.

5. The Albert Hotel (16.9). The owner and lease holder of the Albert have been identified. The owner confirmed that the Albert will reopen in the next few weeks and would appreciate support from the village community.

 

 

SF

 

 

4. Police Report

The written report noted 11 calls

2 crime calls: a collision in Battery Road, the driver didn’t stop; presentation of a counterfeit note at the Queensferry Hotel.

 

5. Local Community Officer

Susan Dryburgh, the Local Community Officer for this area, gave an overview of the War Memorials project (supported by the War Memorial Trust) which she is working on. The aim is to clean the brass and repoint the stone of War Memorials.  Susan is looking into refreshing the tourist interpretation board adjacent to the War Memorial.

 

6. Traffic issues

1. Traffic Management Plan: It was suggested that the increased tourism profile of North Queensferry merits a Traffic Impact Assessment, however Fife Council Traffic Management team advise that this would cost £15,000.

Deep Sea World needs a traffic management plan for its expected planning application however NQCC are looking for a plan to cover the whole village and to be available to developers considering village projects.

Parking attendants are now active in the village: two penalty charges have been issued (a car parked on a double lines and one parked on a bus stop).

 

 

7. Forth Replacement Crossing Community Forum

1. No Forum meeting since November 2017. Audit Scotland interviewed LC about the new bridge and community opinion.

2. Ferrytoll Park and Ride: discussion noted improvements to the traffic light sequencing and traffic movement.

 

8. Children’s play park

FC has been asked to consider re-using equipment from Pittencrieff Park. FC councillors suggest Pierhead could be a community funded play park like the successful one in Aberdour.  FC would be the contractor and responsible for maintenance.

 

9.  Public Toilets

FC waiting for advice on funding.  The time for removing this toilet cannot be extended. These public toilets had low usage in 2017.

 

10. Trees at Northcliffe

The Tree Management plan was discussed with local residents.

NQCC has been assured that the tree felling was carried out in accordance with the Tree Management Plan and also that the trees along the roadside have been assessed and deemed to be safe.

For subsequent work, the contractor requires access from the community centre field and is concerned about the proximity of the MUGA. DS and JG visiting Northcliffe in due course.

 

 

 

 

 

 

DS, JG

11. Edinburgh Flight Path

No progress/change to date.

DS attended Edinburgh Noise Advisory Board meeting which proposed a small working group to work on technical issues. BF will represent NQCC with back up from DS as necessary. There are 200 Community Councils in the affected area.  The Board is funded by Edinburgh Airport however measures were discussed to ensure independence from the airport. 

 

 

12. Fife Councillor’s Report

1. Park hit squad – project suggestions needed. To date:

  • Tidy the rose beds beside the Brock Street station entrance.
  • Repair damaged benches at the railway pier beach. DS checking ownership.

LC emailing councillors with project suggestions.

2 Parking concerns at Carlingnose Point from cars unable to park at the station. No action.

 

 

 

LC

13. Community Group Updates

 

1. NQHT’s next speaker is former NQCC Secretary Barbara McKechnie 27 February

2. NQCT Railway Pier repairs requires use of Fastcrete.  Environmental compliance requirements are being checked and NQCT still waiting for advice from Historic Scotland.

 

 

 

14.  Planning Applications

One new application: a raised Sedum roof at Shoreland, Main Road.  

 

15. Treasurer’s report

NQCC agreed to contribute:

  • £200 towards the Ferry News
  • £50 to the Salvation Army for Remembrance Sunday.

 

 

16. Floral Enhancement

No plant activity this month.

Floral enhancement grant requires: copies of the accounts to March 2017 and NQCC’s constitution.

FC introducing new application forms. LC investigating.

 

CM,LC

 

LC

17. Correspondence

None

 

18. Any other competent business

1. Forth Bridges Forum Tourism Group meeting 2 February

  • Tourism Strategy summary near completion to be circulated for comment soon.
  • FC interested in including publicity for a Bridges Circular Walk on the Fife Tourism Website - meeting with FC to take forward.
  • Opening the Queensferry Crossing has resulted in a 40% decrease in trade in South Queensferry, particularly McDonald’s and Tesco Fuel (no longer open over night).
  • South Queensferry’s UNESCO plaque unveiled on 4 March. North Queensferry’s on 18 April (World Heritage Day).

2. West Sands’ street Lights – 3 or 4 not working.  To report such issues use FC website: www.fifedirect.org.uk/streetlighting

3. West Sands, two issues:  parking of unsightly old vehicle; installation of CCTV without neighbourhood consultation or signage. DD investigating both concerns.

4. Rerouting the Coastal Path. Meeting arranged for 13 February with Transport Scotland to look at options/feasibility.

5.  Insurance Renewal: FC will advise NQCC when insurance is due. 

6. Diversion of email correspondence while secretary is away.

7. Beach Clean: Marine Conservation Society currently monitoring Ferrycraigs Beach. ITV filmed a recent beach clean there and this will broadcast at 1930 on 15 February (ITV Tonight).  Beach Cleans are being planned for 27 / 28 April

8. Barnardo’s second fundraiser. Network Rail have announced of another Barnardo’s (up to top of Rail Bridge) fundraiser, possibly 8/9 or 22/23 September.  Barnardo’s suggesting that a portion of the funds could be set aside for a community event.   Action – check date for possible clash with following event.  CM responding to Craig Bowman’s email and confirming that someone from NQCC will attend.

9. The annual South Queensferry to North Queensferry swim takes place on 22 September. NQCC to contact Vigour Events re management of traffic, especially coaches.

 

LC

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LC

 

JG DS

 

 

 

 

 

DS

 

 

 

 

 

CM

 

 

 

PS

 

Next NQCC meeting:  7.30pm, Thursday 8 March 2018, North Queensferry Community Centre.  Members of the public are very welcome to attend.

 

 

 

 

12 July 2018Current Draft Minutes

North Queensferry Community Council (NQCC)

Draft Minutes of Community Council Meeting: Thursday 12 July 2018

Present:

NQCC: Iain Mitchell (IM), Lin Collis (LC), Christina McKenzie (CM), Bruce Finlayson (BF), Mary Finlayson (MF), Sheila Foggon (SF),   Jim George (JG), Peter Selbie (PS), David Shields (DS).

Fife Council (FC) Councillors: Cllr David Barratt (DB), Cllr Dave Dempsey (DD), Cllr Alice McGarry (AM), Susan Dryborough (SD)

Police:  Jim Bell (JB) and Richard Duncan (RD).  Public: David Neill (DN).  Mino Manekshaw (MM)

   Agenda Reference

Description

Action

1. Apologies

Donna Beveridge (DCB), Kevin Hughes, (Virgin Broadband).

 

2. Minutes of Previous Meeting

Proposed JG Approved LC

 

3. Matters Arising

(3) Rail Bridge Graffiti: has been removed.

(5.1) Abandoned car: still working on this.

 

DD

3a FC Local Community Plan

Susan Dryborough (FC Local Community Planning Policy Officer) spoke about the Community Plan for Fife which is about public bodies working together and with local communities. It has four themes: opportunities for all, thriving places, inclusive growth and jobs and community led services. Community councils to suggest schemes/projects by the end of August and in September communities will agree priorities. Copies of the papers shown at the meeting to be distributed to all community councillors. 

A copy of the Plan for Fife can be downloaded:

https://our.fife.scot/fife-plan/

 

4. Police Report

13 calls (none associated with Battery Road and Pierhead), no crimes reported.

NQ Community Drop-In proposed: possibly during the MUGA opening event 11 August – to be confirmed.

Evidence of illegal drug use in the Battery Road area reported.

 

 

 

 

JB / RD

5. Traffic Issues

1. Lorry issue in Brock Street: A lorry delivering stone for the MUGA had its path blocked by resident(s) who verbally abused the driver.  The quarry now refusing to deliver (Possible cost implications for MUGA project).  FC speaking to people concerned – currently not a police matter.

2. Local return bus tickets (see previous minutes 5.3) confirmed by the two operators who do not accept each other’s tickets. Changes due in August 2019 will alleviate this issue.

3. Need for signs to Battery Road car park which is currently underused.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6. Edinburgh Airport Flightpath Consultation / Edinburgh Noise Advisory Board (EDNAB)

1. NQCC has submitted a letter (as part of the consultation) setting out its position.  This may form the basis of a complaint to the CAA.

2. NQCC produced leaflets were delivered to all NQ households to encourage residents to respond to the consultation.

3. EDNAB has requested a meeting with the Chief Executive of Edinburgh Airport on 27 July to establish a better working relationship.  BF to attend and possibly IM as NQCC Chair.

4. The validity of the consultation remains questionable. BF has a report verifying technical details and showing noise levels have been underestimated.  Health effects: number of people affected and compensation payments have not been fully taken into account- only conclusions have been given with no workings to back them up.

5. BF/MF/DS met with Annabelle Ewing MSP to request her to investigate the issue. 

6. MF in contact with Douglas Chapman MP re meeting MOD on flight path adjustments and to look at broader context.  

7.  DC Thomson Media (Fife Courier) is reporting heightened awareness of noise and overflying

 

 

 

 

 

 

BF / IM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7. Transport Scotland Proposals for Forth Bridges Community Representatives Group

North and South Queensferry Community Councils are concerned about the lack of community council representation on the Forth Bridges Forum. Following a letter to the Forum’s chairman, Transport Scotland propose forming a community group to meet six monthly. NQCC do not agree with this: it does not meet the proposals which had been put forward and would continue to marginalise community councils.  IM writing to reject this proposal and to reiterate the request for North and South Queensferry to have full membership on the Forum.

 

 

 

IM

8.  Fife Councillor’s Reports

1.  Battery Road Toilet Replacement.  FC may not be able to find

 £30,000 capital funding for a new toilet with the additional annual cleaning costs £2–5,000. AM approaching Keith Winter (Executive Director of Enterprise and Environment) and Visit Scotland for support. DB suggesting application to Fife Environment Trust for the capital cost.

Discussion featured 1) A short term remedy of paying the Ferrybridge and Rankins for public use however FC have withdrawn this ‘Comfort Scheme’. PS speaking to the Ferrybridge. 2) Possible funding from the new Fife Pilgrim Way? 3) The possibility of Deep Sea World providing a cleaning service.  4) Need for improved signage to the Battery Road carpark and eventually to the public toilet.

2. Railway Station toilet:  Need to take measures to inform the public that the key for these facilities is held in the shop.

3.  Mount Hooly Terrace.  FC owns and intends clearing this bank above the well on the Brae.  AM meeting with John McQueen and the Community Payback team.  DS suggests Living Solutions could be involved and stressed need to liaise with Mount Hooly residents   

4.  Grit Bins: a map noting where grit bins are in the village is on Facebook for final comments. Requests for Brock Street bin to be retained and that FC fills the bins.

5.  River Taxi Service.  DB reported that is now listed on Public Contracts Scotland.

 

 

 

AM

 

 

 

 

PS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DB/AM

9. Community Group Updates

DN reported that funding (£50,000) has been raised for Pierhead Playpark. Budget including contingency is £100,000.  Fife Environment Trust may be approached for the balance, with any surplus being used to support improvements to the Community Centre Playpark.   

 

 

10.  Treasurer’s Report

No change

 

11.  Disbursement of BBC payment

Agreed £1,100 received from BBC is committed to Pierhead Playpark.  There may be additional funds from extra filming on 1 August.

 

12.  Floral Enhancement

Grant form still to be submitted.  New plants to go in Ferryhills boat.  Watering required in all places.

DS

 

13.  Village Defibrillators, update

 

 

1. Permission required from ScotRail for installation at station.

2.  Community Centre has funds to purchase and mount a unit on outside of building.

3. Funding secured from Deep Sea World to install a defibrillator at the Battery Road / Albert Bus Stop.  FC need to agree the method of mounting this to the shelter with Fife Council.  This needs planning permission as in a conservation area- to be applied for

4. Doubletree Hotel to be approached to fund maintenance costs. 

 

 

 

 

 

DS

 

SF

14.  Correspondence

Royal Navy Association’s ‘Battles Over Beacon Lighting Ceremony’ taking place at MoD Caledonia, 11 November. Information circulated to the primary school.

 

15:  Community Council Elections

NQCC election on 4 October:  Nomination forms and publicity including posters for the notice boards required to encourage more residents to join the community council.  Nominations close 6 September.

DS

16:  Any other competent business

1. Gas from Hound Point: SF remarked on smell of gas in the village – PS contacting the operator.

2.  Pilgrim Way Working Group:  JG is NQCC representative.  Concern about promoting the Pilgrims Way when the village has no proper toilet facilities. 

3.  Sewage Works Smells:   Scottish Water spending £2million on screens but only a ‘small improvement in smells expected’.  DB suggested we keep a watch on Planning Applications also contact Roy Stewart in Protective Services about the smell.

4.  Vigour Swim Event 22 September:  Concerns over traffic management and organisation.  DS writing to advise Vigour to liaise with Police, FC and residents. 

5.  Vegetation at top of steps from Forth Bridge:  JG proposes that Amey clears foliage to improve the view. 

6.  Village snagging: the hole in the Battery Road wall still not repaired – but a contractor has been appointed.  Corroded pole opposite the Albert still outstanding.  Attempted repair to manhole in Battery Road has failed – we propose the cover is reset to road level.  Corroded pole opposite The Albert still outstanding.

 

PS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DS

 

 

LC

 

JG

 

Next NQCC meeting:  7.30pm, Thursday 13 September 2018, North Queensferry Community Centre.  Members of the public are very welcome to attend.

 

There is NOT a meeting in August.

 

 

 

28 June 2018Edinburgh Airport supplementary consultation. Response from NQCC 25th June 2018.

Edinburgh Airport Limited (EAL) supplementary consultation.  Response from North Queensferry Community Council 25th June 2018.

 

 

Please give us your views on E7a flight path and any local issues we should be aware of.”

 

Background

 

This response has been prepared on behalf of North Queensferry Community Council (NQCC), a community council constituted in terms of the Local Government (Scotland) Act with the statutory purpose of representing the views of the residents of North Queensferry.

A considered response, informed by the interests of, and on behalf of the over 1500 residents in our area is a challenging task in the short time extended by this supplementary consultation. As well as the amenity of present residents NQCC must also take into account the future impact of change on those residents and the large and increasing numbers of visitors attracted to our community which lies at the historical crossing point between Edinburgh and Fife, a location which links ancient centres of Kingdom, Commerce and Religion on either side of the Forth.

North Queensferry is the commencement of the Pilgrims Way with the present day opportunity to join in the footsteps of past spiritual pilgrims. It is the northern landfall of the World Heritage Listed Forth Bridge and within the buffer zone of the World Heritage Area. It is the start of the Fife Coastal Path to which many visitors both local and from further afield are drawn on account of its tranquillity and its beautiful and peaceful coastal landscape with opportunities to explore a location rich in Scottish Heritage, touch the past and to observe nature. Any increase in noise is detrimental not only to neighbourhood enjoyment but also to that of the growing number of pilgrims, walkers and nature observers.

On most days, away from the immediate noise of the rail services the soundscape is tranquil.

The takeup of E7a flight path is likely to make a huge detrimental change in this tranquillity.

At present there are no planes overhead with most on the existing routes bypassing the village to the north by several miles and only on those 30% of days when the winds are in the east. There are presently no planes at all on days when the wind is in the west.

From the maps given, the route changes proposed appear to indicate that there will be many future flights almost directly overhead of North Queensferry every day when the D0 route is also taken into account.

 

Uncertainty arising from vagueness of the presentation material

 

From the presented information in any of the consultation documents, it is very difficult to reach an informed view on how bad this impact will be because the existing nominal route has only vaguely been followed in recent times and some planes already fly closer to North Queensferry than in the past. The changes, of late, on the existing route, the huge lateral spread of planes, the varying height, varying type of plane and consequent varying noise patterns make impressions of future impact very difficult to assess. This is only made more difficult by the obscure and changeable measures used (various maps are confusing, Leq, Lden, LAmax, SEL; none of which are presented to measurement limits and none of which show aggregated impacts). The resultant simplistic noise maps presented in the consultation documents do not even extend to North Queensferry.

However, such information as is presented is, in any event, fundamentally flawed. It has been disclosed, as the result of a Freedom of Information request, that the Noise Maps which are included in the consultation materials (and which, for the reasons stated above are inadequate in themselves) are based upon noise measurements obtained at Gatwick Airport, and there would appear not to have been any attempt locally to calibrate the maps to the terrain, existing flight patterns, including rate of ascent, and other conditions affecting Edinburgh Airport and its surrounding, affected area. It seems to have been assumed that the Gatwick experience of noise is directly transferable to Edinburgh, when examination of the actual noise recorded on monitors shows that it is not. In particular, the Gatwick derived models significantly underestimate the level and impact of noise in the Edinburgh area.

The result of this is that there is a failure properly to inform affected residents of material information which is necessary for them, and this community council, to be able adequately to exercise their right to be consulted on decisions on which they have been consulted.

A further critical issue reference to which is almost absent from the consultation documents is that relating to any significant evaluation of the health impacts arising from the changes of Routes. Studies from elsewhere indicate that increased noise does have impact on the physiological wellbeing of residents exposed to that noise. Although noise is itself inadequately discussed in the consultation documents, the overall concern of people for information on how that noise will impact their health is almost entirely missing. Medical Practitioners at public meetings attended by more than 100 people have expressed alarm at their inability to address these issues with the information available in the consultation documents.

 

Impact on and from other routes:

 

This supplementary consultation refers only to flight path E7a but that flight path cannot be taken in isolation from its impact on the remaining distribution of flights out of Edinburgh. It is clear from the documents supplied that there will be changes to all other proposed routes from what has been previously consulted on; yet the residents in those affected areas have not been informed of these changes, nor given an opportunity to respond to them; nor has any information been presented on the aggregated impacts of other routes together with route E7a. In the case of North Queensferry this particularly applies to the aggregated impact of having planes fly over the village every day when route D0 is also taken into account.

 

Proposals

For the present extended consultation to be a meaningful one, there requires to be provided aggregated noise maps for the North Queensferry area. Those maps really need to show the area down to the limits of resolution and be provided along with maps describing the variability to be expected.

Furthermore, as explained above, it has now also come to light through Freedom of Information requests that even those maps that are presented may be based on information that has now been independently checked and has been found significantly and materially to underestimate noise arising from aircraft operating out of Edinburgh Airport.

Any consultation based upon these data will be fundamentally flawed. If any meaningful opportunity is to be given to residents to participate in the consultation, there is no real alternative but to withdraw the existing maps and suspend the consultation until new and properly validated maps have been published. The whole consultation should then be recommenced, founded upon properly validated new maps.

When accurate information becomes available we would also call for a full report on the health impact arising from the proposed changes.

Much of the impact on populated areas could be avoided by flying aircraft further out into the Forth before turning. The effect of this would be that the aircraft will already have a climbed to a higher altitude before overflying populated or tranquil coastal regions.

Although at the recent Inverkeithing Public Meeting, this suggestion was rather dismissed by the representatives of Edinburgh Airport, nonetheless, we consider it necessary for there to be a full investigation and analysis of this option which has the potential to produce an outcome which will both protect the peace, health and environment of affected communities and residents, and yet also enable EAL to pursue its commercial objectives. In dismissing this option at the meeting, representatives of Edinburgh Airport Limited made some passing reference to the claimed existence of military airspace in that direction. Although, of course, the existence of military airspace may be a material factor, there is a clear and present need to ensure that the proposal is fully investigated to ascertain whether it cannot avoid impinging on military airspace. Passing comment was also made about what was claimed would be the attitude of the CAA. Again, there was no indication that this response was other than a superficial and unresearched view. With respect, a one line dismissal is not sufficient. North Queensferry Community Council would seek to require that there be carried out a full and thorough investigation of this option.

 

Uncertainty as to what will be contained in any fresh application to the CAA.

 

Last year, in consultation 2, EAL indicated there would be 41-49 flights per day on Route E. Then in August, 2017, EAL applied to the CAA to use the route for 96 – 111 planes per day. There was no opportunity for people to respond to this doubling of the flights applied for. Now in this supplementary consultation reference is made again to 41-47 flights per day, but no maximum is mentioned.

Verbal assurances were given at the time that maximum numbers of flights would not be exceeded without a new application to CAA.

We have no confidence that EAL will not change its mind again, and apply for a changed or increased number of planes per day without any further consultation with the residents affected.

 

Lack of Community Support for change:

 

In previous consultations there was a response rate of less than 1% from affected areas. This most certainly cannot be taken as evidence of apathy or disinterest in the affected communities. Rather, it speaks eloquently of the flawed nature of the consultation process. We refer here not so much to the bringing to the attention of residents of the consultation materials (though there was some criticism voiced at the public meeting of that exercise) as, rather to a lack of information set out simply, with clarity, in appropriate detail, and (critically) accurate information which is not in its nature misleading. In the face of the present consultation materials, many people have expressed that they feel disempowered by what appears to them to be a tick box exercise in which positively framed feedback, such as suggestions for new, alternative, flight paths are dismissed and ignored.

It is clear from EAL’s own numbers that their proposals for flight path change have been rejected by the communities impacted by them. In the 2016 consultation on flight path swathes, the overall response was 60% against any flight path changes. In 2017, the overall negative response to the flight path F2A routes was 69%, with only 22% positive, D0 was 64% negative, 18% positive. There is no measure for E7A to indicate it has any better acceptability.

Overall concern from previous consultations was mainly about noise but the second major concern was the consultation process itself. The reasons for this have not been acknowledged nor dealt with and remain: there is a persistent appearance of tokenism in the process; information is dense, obscurely presented and difficult to assimilate; and now, critically, it appears that the whole consultation may be based on fundamentally flawed noise maps as the basis for both community feedback and consequent planning of the flight paths.

In these circumstances, the present consultation process is not fit for purpose and North Queensferry Community Council calls for it to be halted, and to be recommenced only when there can be guaranteed conformity with those requirements of clarity, accuracy and comprehensibilty which are required to enable a properly informed response from the public.

 

 

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Edinburgh Airport: Airspace Change Programme (ACP) Summary by North Queensferry Community Council 14 March 2018

The ACP has three proposed routes that affect North Queensferry -routes D, E and F. In combination these routes will see flights over/very close to North Queensferry 365 days a year. Over 600 responses were submitted from the wider area to these routes during the consultation last year, mostly in opposition.

Consideration of the ACP application was suspended by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) in September last year as route E was found not to be flyable. The new route E is much closer to North Queensferry than the one they consulted on and the fact the Airport have made this material change without further consultation has been raised by Lesley Laird MP with both the Airport and the CAA. There are also issues with the way the noise impacts have been assessed (models assume aircraft will be on a centreline), which again have been raised with the Airport and the CAA.

It is understood the ACP process is to re-start this month, with the Airport hoping for a decision by October/November.

Noise Action Plan (NAP)

The NAP was launched for consultation on 20th February and the consultation runs until 2nd April. The NAP is a statutory document and only takes into account areas close to the runway, not areas such as North Queensferry which experience almost no noise for long periods, with relatively high levels at other times.

At the drop-in session in Dalgety Bay last week, the Airport confirmed that they are looking for ideas on how to reduce noise impacts in areas not previously covered by the NAP in view of the fact the number of flights is set to increase over the coming years.

Noise Advisory Board (NAB)

The Board meets every month and has a principle aim of reducing noise in affected communities. It is independent from the Airport but the Airport do (or have said they will) provide funding to appoint contractors and for installation of noise monitors etc. Progress to date has been slow but a work programme is now being developed with sub-groups looking at the best locations to install noise monitors, the analysis of historic flight data to ascertain what changes to flight paths have already taken place and problems with the use of noise modelling.

The NAB was not consulted on the Noise Action Plan and the Board do not agree with the way the Airport has described the NAB within the document. A letter has been written to the Chair of Edinburgh Airport's Board asking for the NAP consultation to be withdrawn.

Previous report:

BF and MF attended a meeting with EAL and other Community Council representatives at Edinburgh Airport on 25.09.17:

Edinburgh Airport gave a presentation on their application to CAA. At that stage CAA had suspended EAL’s application and EAL intimated that the changes required were minor which was in contradiction to the actual published letter from CAA which indicated serious issues with the applied for routes.

The application prior to suspension was substantially different from the proposals in the second consultation. In the proposal document during east winds which occur approximately 30% of the time there were 45 flights a day proposed on Route E6 over the bridges to the south of us with a spread overhead of us and S Queensferry. In the actual application there were up to 111 directly over the villages on Route E7 at 4-7000ft. At this height flights will be more than loud enough to interrupt conversations on the ground in the village. At the meeting presentation this was not highlighted and flights on route D0 in west winds also over the village were stated as occurring only in peak morning hours up to only 6 flights per day. They also stated in the presentation that any changes to approved flight paths after the application would require a new consultation.

In later correspondence however EAL apologised that this was incorrect and that the morning overflights would be up to 11.  Other Community Councils expressed concerns that this is not a consultation in the true sense of the word. They indicated that they had already seen changes to flight paths. This EAL categorically denied. EAL have since communicated that the 111 flights a day are not a significant change to North Queensferry because we already have 99 flights a day affecting us in east winds. This refers to the flight path to the north of us and over Dalgety Bay where currently flights over the village are at 10,000 feet. We and several other Community Council representatives feel that EAL “stretch the truth” and only present the facts in a light which omits community concerns.

The Environmental Report accompanying the application is completed.  The'Tranquillity Report' - says 'minimal effect'.   Action MF to contact S Queensferry CC re combining efforts and consolidating with other CCs.

Noise levels were discussed - well respected programmes have been used for predicting noise - but these do not take account of the local environment.  Night flights, which are restricted over London, will not in general be restricted at Edinburgh but for now Route D0 is morning peak 6.00am to 10.00am only and E7 is from 6.00am to 11.00pm.

DD stated FC on side of communities - but there is not enough expertise to make a judgement. Sufficient resources are required for a proper independent Environmental Assessment to challenge Edinburgh Airport.  Any costs for commissioning such a study needs to be shared with other councils.

Flight paths are a UK matter and Noise Management is a devolved issue but nevertheless the Scottish Government has shown no appetite to support the local communities. Action: invite MP Douglas Chapman to speak to NQCC.

As at 8 May 2017: see www.letsgofurther.com for the proposed flightpath over Inverkeithing to Rosyth.  (Route D) .  The request for response to the Consultation has now closed but if there are incividual incidences of excessive noise, contact details are on the website on the FAQ tab if a member of the public wishes to make a complaint.  

North Queensferry Community Council (NQCC) has made an objection to the Flight Path Consultation.  A councillor represented NQCC at a round table discussion at the Scottish Parliament with other Community Councils on 20 April 2017 prior to the submsission of the Objection.

A copy of the final objection is in the Document Library (Correspondence May 2017).

 

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