03 November 2017Traffic Management Working Group (TMWG)


A90 between Scotstoun and Admiralty

50mph speed limit and temporary average speed cameras in operation both directions. 


A90 south of Queensferry Crossing

Occasional hard shoulder closures for finishing works.


Society Road

Site crossing controlled by stop / go boards as required.


Occasional overhead works, stop / go boards as required.




A90 between Admiralty and Scotstoun

50mph speed limit and temporary average speed cameras in operation both directions.


A90 north of Queensferry Crossing

Occasional hard shoulder closures for finishing works.


Occasional hard shoulder closures for signage and finishing works.


Ferrytoll Gyratory

Pedestrian / cycle route reinstated between Ferrytoll and Forth Road Bridge on east side of slip road.   


B981 Hope Street

Major reconstruction works until late 2017.


B981 North Queensferry

Temporary Traffic Lights as and when required.


Ongoing, full-time temporary traffic lights for approximately 8 days – Scottish Water and BT connection works to Admirals House.


B980 Castlandhill Road

Temporary Traffic Lights as and when required.




Occasional lane 2 closures overnight to service work areas on bridge.



Non FCBC works


Ongoing – Burnshot flyover closed over A90.   Demolition of Burnshott Bridge scheduled for weekend of 24 - 27 November, A90 carriageway closed diversion via Burnshott off and on slip roads.



Ongoing until early 2018 – Hope Street, Inverkeithing closed each night and all day Sunday at railway bridge, temporary traffic lights during day.


Please check websites and other media channels.


Further details will be on the Traffic Scotland website  http://trafficscotland.org/plannedroadworks/





Katrina Bruce
Community Liaison Officer
Forth Crossing Bridge Constructors : CSR


Email: Katrina.Bruce@fcbcjv.co.uk • Direct Tel: +441312037573 • Mobile: • Based at: CEC

Forth Crossing Bridge Constructors • King Malcolm Drive • Rosyth • KY11 2DY • t: +441383 421400 • f: +441383 421407

30 October 2017Edinburgh Airport Consultation

BF and MF attended a meeting with EAL and other Community Council representatives at Edinburgh Airport on 25.09.17:

Edinburgh Airport gave a presentation on their application to CAA. At that stage CAA had suspended EAL’s application and EAL intimated that the changes required were minor which was in contradiction to the actual published letter from CAA which indicated serious issues with the applied for routes.

The application prior to suspension was substantially different from the proposals in the second consultation. In the proposal document during east winds which occur approximately 30% of the time there were 45 flights a day proposed on Route E6 over the bridges to the south of us with a spread overhead of us and S Queensferry. In the actual application there were up to 111 directly over the villages on Route E7 at 4-7000ft. At this height flights will be more than loud enough to interrupt conversations on the ground in the village. At the meeting presentation this was not highlighted and flights on route D0 in west winds also over the village were stated as occurring only in peak morning hours up to only 6 flights per day. They also stated in the presentation that any changes to approved flight paths after the application would require a new consultation.

In later correspondence however EAL apologised that this was incorrect and that the morning overflights would be up to 11.  Other Community Councils expressed concerns that this is not a consultation in the true sense of the word. They indicated that they had already seen changes to flight paths. This EAL categorically denied. EAL have since communicated that the 111 flights a day are not a significant change to North Queensferry because we already have 99 flights a day affecting us in east winds. This refers to the flight path to the north of us and over Dalgety Bay where currently flights over the village are at 10,000 feet. We and several other Community Council representatives feel that EAL “stretch the truth” and only present the facts in a light which omits community concerns.

The Environmental Report accompanying the application is completed.  The'Tranquillity Report' - says 'minimal effect'.   Action MF to contact S Queensferry CC re combining efforts and consolidating with other CCs.

Noise levels were discussed - well respected programmes have been used for predicting noise - but these do not take account of the local environment.  Night flights, which are restricted over London, will not in general be restricted at Edinburgh but for now Route D0 is morning peak 6.00am to 10.00am only and E7 is from 6.00am to 11.00pm.

DD stated FC on side of communities - but there is not enough expertise to make a judgement. Sufficient resources are required for a proper independent Environmental Assessment to challenge Edinburgh Airport.  Any costs for commissioning such a study needs to be shared with other councils.

Flight paths are a UK matter and Noise Management is a devolved issue but nevertheless the Scottish Government has shown no appetite to support the local communities. Action: invite MP Douglas Chapman to speak to NQCC.

As at 8 May 2017: see www.letsgofurther.com for the proposed flightpath over Inverkeithing to Rosyth.  (Route D) .  The request for response to the Consultation has now closed but if there are incividual incidences of excessive noise, contact details are on the website on the FAQ tab if a member of the public wishes to make a complaint.  

North Queensferry Community Council (NQCC) has made an objection to the Flight Path Consultation.  A councillor represented NQCC at a round table discussion at the Scottish Parliament with other Community Councils on 20 April 2017 prior to the submsission of the Objection.

A copy of the final objection is in the Document Library (Correspondence May 2017).


30 October 2017Current Draft Minutes

North Queensferry Community Council (NQCC)

Draft Minutes of Community Council Meeting on Thursday 12 October 2017

Present: NQCC: Iain G Mitchell (IGM), Lin Collis (LC), Christina McKenzie (CM), Bruce Finlayson (BF), Mary Finlayson (MF), Jim George (JG), David Shields (DS), Sheila Foggon (SF), Peter Selbie (PS), Donna Beveridge (DB); Fife Council (FC) Councillors: Cllr David Barratt (DB), Cllr Dave Dempsey (DD); Fife Police: PC Jim Bell (JB), PC Richard Duncan (RD); Members of the public: Danny Howie (DH), Vanessa McCorquodale (VM), Elizabeth Seviour (ES), Cllr Mino Manekshaw (MM), Dinaz Manekshaw (DM), Myles Fitt (MF)

   Agenda Reference



1. Apologies

Cllr Alice McGarry (AM), Cllr Lesley Laird (MP for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath)


2. Minutes of Previous Meeting

JG approved, LC seconded  


3. Matters Arising

 None which were not already on the agenda.


4. New Member

DB introduced herself before being co-opted to the Council.  Proposed DS seconded JG


5. Police Report including Pierhead disturbance

J B and RD reported:

1.  21 calls since 14.09.17: 6 concerned crime: 2 dinghies stolen from the Marina, a caravan and 4 vehicles vandalised at West Sands.

2.  Pierhead: 10 calls about antisocial behaviour: Police trying to regularly check the area. Public suggestions for improvements: a 'Residents only' sign; changing the turning area into a head rather than a circle; installing a barrier activated by card.  Councillors' suggestions and concerns: resident complaints are not taken seriously or logged by the Police (Action: FC Councillors investigate); placing a barrier at the top of the pier; hold a meeting on site (FC, FC and NQ councillors and the Police).  (Action???).

3. Kenny Bow is the new Community Sergeant.











7. Primary School (PS) Parent Council

MF reported:-

1. School roll is stable at 74 pupils, down from 114 partly due to lack of family housing in the village and children moving to private schools.  Nursery, currently 15-20 children and morning only may increase to six hours.

2. The Head (Mrs Gardener) is shared with Inverkeithing PS.

3. The school's good reputation encourages people out with the village to send their children here.

4. Traffic issues (parking and speeding near the school) and a travel plan were discussed.

5.  Reminder: school's Christmas Fayre on 2 December.


6. Town Pier

The Chair of HONQ enquired about the poor state of the 'A listed' Town Pier. DB advised that no work is planned.  IM suggested meeting with FC and FC councillors to consider repairs, safety and vehicle use.  (action  LC????)


8. Edinburgh Airport Consultation

BF and MF attended a meeting on 25.09.17:

1. Edinburgh Airport Ltd. (EAL) stated no changes to flight paths despite a letter issued shortly before the meeting from CAA stating otherwise.  This was raised by all attending Community Councils along with concerns that this is not a consultation in the true sense of the word. 

2. There are three new flight paths, one flies east to west along the Forth with planes flying between 4,000 and 7,000 feet.  Currently flights over the village are at 10,000 feet. 

3. The Tranquillity Report on the environment is complete: it notes that the flight changes will have ‘minimal effect’.   Action:  MF to contact Queensferry CC re combining efforts and consolidating with other CCs.

Discussion included : noise levels – well respected programmes have been used – but not calibrated to local environment.  Night flights, which are restricted over London, will not be here.

FC on side of communities – but there is not enough information to make a judgement. Sufficient resources are required for a proper environmental assessment to challenge EAL.  Costs for commissioning the study need to be shared with other councils.

This is a UK matter. Action: DB to invite MP Douglas Chapman to speak to NQCC.

 (See M and BF report displayed at the Community Centre and on NQCC website)


9. Remembrance Service

Dave Bonas arranging.  IM officiating.  CM representing NQCC.  Action: arrange post service refreshments.


10.  Fife councillors’ reports

1.DB now represents FC on Primary School Board and the Community Trust. He seeks a wider strategy and investment for West Bay.  DD now on West Fife Planning Committee.  

2. Discussion on the No 87 bus which has difficulty turning and waiting for passengers.  Timetable needs to be adjusted to allow bus to pick up but not wait for passengers. Action???

3. Christmas:  tree -looking at options: this will be paid from Ward budget; lights for trees at station revisited- no safe supply from station. Action: MF investigating power from the Post Office and street lights.

4.DB advised of ongoing discussion to dispense money to Community Councils. 










11. Forth Bridges Forum

No meetings since 14 September. LC and MF to liaise on next meeting.



12. Tourism Project Group

LC attended meeting 05.10.17 and reported:

1. Dalmeny station to be renamed ‘Forth Bridges Station’.

2. Deep Sea World preparing a planning application for a ‘Bridges Centre’- possible public consultation.

3. GL Hearne consultants keen to talk to NQCC regarding Forth Bridges Tourism Strategy which relies heavily on visitor centres north and south of the Rail Bridge.  Action: LC to arrange.

4. Branding for the bridges includes a bridges' tartan.






13. Community Group Updates

1. Community Centre: funding nearly in place for MUGA (Multi Use Games Area).  Banana Man (running for 24 hours) raised over £700.  2. Station Trust: shortlisted for a Railway Heritage Award.


14. Planning Applications

1. Primary School: adjustment to railings: no objections. 

2. Discussion on Kincardineshire Action Plan (a charrette) produced following intensive planning where residents, designers and others collaborated on a vision for development.  DB explained this as an opportunity to implement consultations within communities, for example, producing a development strategy for West Bay.


15. Treasurer’s report

No change


16. Floral Enhancement

Good work being done especially on the Brae.  Still in need of volunteers, even just to water.


17.  Correspondence

Previous correspondence about trees.  Because the trees are privatly owned it is a private issue. Action: DS to check if there is a Tree Management Plan for Northcliff. 




18.  Any other competent business

1. Part of the Ferry Hills (west of railway, north of Brock Street) is for sale: concerns about possible development. Action: look at funding options for a community buy out - the Community Trust most obvious vehicle for this.  Action: DS to look at extent of SSSI and identify ownership of Ferry Hills around the Loch/adjoining the M90.

2. Thanks given to Joan Milne (FC Community Development) for organising Community Payback restoration of village benches.

3. Request for a 'doggy bin' at the community centre - used bags have been put in flower tubs.





Next NQCC meeting:  Thursday, 7.30pm, 9 November 2017, North Queensferry Community Centre. Members of the public are welcome to attend.





 We could take this on along with the village snags as we have already had some discussion about this? Think historic Scotland should also be involved.

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